Florida Democratic Primary 2008

Submitted by doug on January 30, 2008 - 11:13am

Florida held their primary elections yesterday, and the Florida Party Chair proclaimed victory for the Florida Democratic Voters:

It's a great night to be a Florida Democrat. For months, the skeptics balked: "No delegates? No candidates?" Today, Florida Democrats responded: "No problem." More than 1.7 million of us showed up to the polls and made our voices heard. That's more than the number of Democrats who voted in any Democratic primary for anything in Florida history. That's more than the number of people who voted in the "early state" contests in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina combined.

"No Problem?" Hmm, really Madame Chairperson, I personally think that it's a problem that OUR VOTES DON'T COUNT towards selecting the Democratic Party's nominee.

The logic behind the "Florida Early Primary" assumes a "presumptive" nominee and not a protracted delegate count battle. It assumes that an early Florida Primary Election would influence the Super Tuesday States, and help decide who this nominee is. So if anyone votes for the Florida winner because Florida voted for them, and this influences what happens in the rest of the country next week, then the "Early Primary" supporters were right.

But in the case of a delegate count battle that continues all the way to the convention, our votes don't count. Many Florida Democrats believe that the delegates will get seated. Hillary Clinton wants to seat them. But the National Party has said they won't.

And if it comes down to the convention, where the seating of the delegates would actually impact who the nominee is, and if we know beforehand who these delegates will support, then the half that would win if they were seated (i.e, Clinton) will be for it, and the half that would lose if they were seated (i.e., Obama), will be against it. It will be a stalemate, and I think will be left to the current DNC ruling, which is that the delegates do NOT get seated.

Of course Clinton would like to seat the delegates, but it's changing the rules mid-stream. What if during the Super Bowl next week they decided in the fourth quarter that retroactively touchdowns were now worth 9 points and field goals didn't count? Nobody would ever agree who really won the Super Bowl.

Does Florida really want to be responsible for another election where the winner isn't the real winner in the hearts and minds of half the voters?

I've never felt as disenfranchised as a voter.

Some people blame the National Party, and Howard Dean specifically. I blame the State Party and elected State Legislators.

When the Florida delegation presented it's case to the DNC, the DNC showed that in 5 or 6 votes over this in the Florida Legislature, that not one Democrat voted against it (or maybe one or two voted against it once). It was the Florida Legislature that created this mess, and the Florida Democrats were complicit in it. The Florida State Party (and elected officials like Sen Bill Nelson) exacerbated the problem by not working towards a better solution. I don't know what the National Party could of done differently. If Michigan and Florida moved up their elections this year, who will move up their elections next year, and the year after that? And then we'll be having our primaries 12, 14, 16, 24 months before the general election? That just can't happen. The election cycle is already too long. So I think Dean made the right call. And every elected Florida Democrat made a self-serving decision that may have made them popular to their electorate, but was the wrong decision for the Democratic Party.

By that way, I live in Nassau County Florida, a very Conservative County just south of Georgia, on the Atlantic. I am somewhat involved in local party politics, but I have not supported any candidate until I actually cast my vote (which I think was purely ceremonial). The above is my personal opinion and not representative of the local Democratic party.

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Submitted by doug on January 30, 2008 - 6:46pm.

NOTE: I have been unable to confirm this anywhere, so I'm not certain about it...

I just received the email that goes through a very protracted formula to calculate that some Florida delegates will now be awarded.

  • Hillary Clinton gets a total of 38 delegates (14 PLEOs and 24 at-large) and 6 alternates.
  • Barrack Obama gets a total of 26 delegates (10 PLEOS and 16 at-large) and 4 alternates.
  • And no one else gets any.

So that's 64 delegates and 10 alternates verses the 210 delegates and 31 alternates that an unpenalized election would of received.

This is a compromise. I think that it's changing the rules in mid-stream, and completely unfair. But I can live with it because (a) we can now say that the Florida vote counted, and (b) the real impact on the total delegate count is only 12 delegates. I really hope that in the final say it's not that close, but leave it to Florida..., and you never know!

Submitted by Gregory Heller on January 31, 2008 - 5:23pm.

It seems like sad commentary on the Florida voter that turnout was higher this year when they were told their vote would not count, as opposed to in any previous primary election.

Perhaps Florida is on to something, Americans tend to be defiant, lets tell all Americans their votes won't count, maybe that will boost turnout.

Of course I am kidding.

Thanks for your recap Doug. And I agree with you. This does not seem like the "best" outcome. Florida should not have jumped the line. I think there is a strong case to be made that if the Florida election had counted, and candidates had campaigned there Barack would have done better, Hillary worse, and perhaps Edwards would have dropped out sooner.

Another thing worth mentioning is the role of early voting, not just in Florida but elsewhere. Who knows how many voters cast early ballots before Billary went on the attack?

Submitted by jcallaghanjr on March 10, 2008 - 3:03pm.

Floridians believed that it was more to their advantage to vote early to influence Super Tuesday than it was to seat their delegates. Now some feel that it didn't work out as they've hoped and they want a second chance. That's not fair.

Submitted by jo1981 on June 25, 2008 - 11:17pm.

Hi,

All these discussions will end on one day. The day when a party wins the majority seats in the elections and goes into power. On that day we'll all stop discussing and start a new topic. Just keep your hearts open for the future.
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Submitted by angelinjones on November 17, 2008 - 11:15pm.

Remainding what happened in 2000 and how important Florida was then to the outcome, if Clinton winds up being the Democratic nominee, her appearance in the state tonight was her way to keep Democrats from ceding it completely to the Republicans today. So it was her way way to show Florida voters that she was simpatico with them. Maybe they'll remember in November.
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Submitted by angelinjones on November 17, 2008 - 11:18pm.

hello, everyone
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